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I agree. Rick Warren is the king of pragmatism. The thing that drives me crazy about Rick Warren is he has spend millions on marketing and has his wording down so that it's still Christian according to all major verses which makes it so hard to explain to people why it's so wrong. It has just enough...

Jim, The last post wasn't that far off topic. But could you please gives some examples or better explain what you mean by the practical being earthly minded? I like much of the teachings at Mars Hill and Mark's teachings. My problems have been on his teaching regarding sex and marriage. Unless I'm u...

I also wanted to add another question I thought about while talking with David at work about Song of Solomon. I don't believe anyone doubts that when Song of Solomon was written it was written as a love poem about the love between a bride and groom. This is a descriptive, graphic and passionate love...

Jim, I completely understand why you edited it. I probably would have done the same if it were my website. The only reason I didn't edit it is I wanted it to be a quote and decided I would let you edit it if you had a problem with it. There are two things I would like to discuss: First, what are peo...

I know several people who attend mars hill church in seattle and they have mentioned how much they like the teaching. So, I have been listening to a variety of teaching to find out if their teaching are biblical and pastor Mark's teaching on sex concern me. I understand there are differing views of ...

David,

Check these links out,

This is a discussion board put together by ex-members to discuss the cult.

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This is a website should have more than enough information to keep you reading for awhile

http://www.carlstevens.org/


Zach

Kevin, Personally, I don't have a problem with churches that are run by a single pastor as long as the pastor doesn't abuse his authority or control thing too much. I don't have a problem so much with the church being run like a business as long as ministry isn't affected. I mean, the apostles chose...

Kevin, I agree with most of what you have to say. But I and many others could be wrong, but my point of coffee vs. gasoline example was to say if something has been working and all of a sudden something changes and it no longer works than maybe you shouldn't have changed anything. It's not about num...

Kevin, I share your frustrations, and I'm sure Jim does too to some extent. My friend and myself have always joked that churches don't care anymore if their staff is Christian, they just want to know if you have a degree. When I look at what I always thought my gifts were, they have always been quit...

Kevin, Thanks for jumping in, its nice to have other around here sharing their view. I am in no way minimizing the salvation of any individual. This is a case of common sense though. For example, I have always used unleaded gas in my car which is a long time, but if I put coffee in there tomorrow an...

I completely agree again. I just don't think Jon Courson or his sons were selected simply because they were his sons. I think they were qualified. I think it's going a little too far to say they are treating the church like a business or family heirloom. I don't think Jon is leading the church in an...

I would say they are teaching pastors. I don't think there is one pastor but three primary teaching pastors and then there are multiple elder/pastors for other forms of ministry. I'm not sure exactly what the difference is though.

zach

Jim, As I've examined the New Testament on these things, I observe that it teaches that a local assembly of believers should be led by multiple elders who are called to pastor the believers in that fellowship. Each elder should be capable of teaching and some elders labor in the word. I completely a...

Jim, Do you think the traditional with one or two pastors is unbiblical or is it what almost always happens as a result of having one pastor? A lot of large churches will devote themselves to either the apostles teachings or to fellowship, but few devote themselves to the breaking of bread in additi...

I agree that it is hard if not impossible to keep a mega church from being run like a business. Let me throw out a different perspective about the New Testament church. Right from the beginning of the church when Jesus left, the Christians went through a huge persecution. Every single place on earth...