leaders, Gurus, & "secret" societies
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:07 pm
Hello there. i am sorry that this will be a 1-time posting, but I have a lot of demands on my attention... I found your board randomly & just thought you might benefit or otherwise appreciate my input, for what it's worth.
1st & maybe most important, you all seem to be people of great faith and of great & true conviction of that faith...
Again, for what it's worth, they aren't mine, but if they are true to you, as they seem, then may the road ahead of you be free of harm !-)
I respect you highly for your dedications & convictions.
OK. The trigger for my posting was your list of members of "secret" societies. Specifically Bill Bradly, but there are others that were of interest, which, combined, prompted this posting.
1) None of the Bush's are Freemasons. Yes Skull & Bones, which have Masonic undertones, but not they neither are Masons. The S&Bs might have, like many others, somehow off-shot from Freemasonry, & not as a whole but were created by (often misguided) individuals & they in no way are supported by, part of, or recognized at all fraternally by Freemasonry.
2) Good of you to recognize that Walt Disney et. al. were DeMolay, but again, NOT Freemasons, just as you (unfortunately) group S&Bs with Freemasons, but do not mistake them for each-other. Which brings up a point I'll address in a sec.
3) Of Bill Bradley: I do not know him personally, so I could not speak of him such. But my Grandfather, a Mason, did. They had frequent contact. My grandfather was quite a conservationist in NJ & Bill's immediate residential proximity to ours resulted in Bill's discussing many of those issues he was faced with as Senator of NJ with my grandfather. So I guess between that & his actions as Senator I have a more educated respect for him than some...
4) Many of the people on your list were actually significant & somewhat undebatably great people. I could see you might have a problem with Ben Franklin, he being a Deist & not subscribing to your particular theism, but he did accomplish some great deeds, & that from humble origins. These people's membership in any fraternal group only aided & often prompted their great deeds. I recognize that you might be just saying "look at all these names you will recognize, then look at the groups they belonged to" but the funny thing is, I see roughly a better representation than worse. I'm often amazed that a man like Ben, a humble printer, could be, among other things, a catalyst for the creation of America's AND France's constitutions...
I agree whole-heartedly with your noticing that XY&Z people have this or that [fraternal relation] in common.
I think part of that which differentiates us humans with other things on this planet is our intellect, which is partly our ability to recognize patterns, like these associations, & weave them with others.
This is NOT talking about our being created in the Lord's image, which is ANOTHER thing that might differentiate us humans.
At any rate, that's for a different, to me, discussion, which I'm pretty confident y'all will get into/are in
Anyway, I hope this was not somehow negative for you.
If it was in any way, my deepest apologies.
My your road ahead be be filled with happiness.
G-Rye
1st & maybe most important, you all seem to be people of great faith and of great & true conviction of that faith...
Again, for what it's worth, they aren't mine, but if they are true to you, as they seem, then may the road ahead of you be free of harm !-)
I respect you highly for your dedications & convictions.
OK. The trigger for my posting was your list of members of "secret" societies. Specifically Bill Bradly, but there are others that were of interest, which, combined, prompted this posting.
1) None of the Bush's are Freemasons. Yes Skull & Bones, which have Masonic undertones, but not they neither are Masons. The S&Bs might have, like many others, somehow off-shot from Freemasonry, & not as a whole but were created by (often misguided) individuals & they in no way are supported by, part of, or recognized at all fraternally by Freemasonry.
2) Good of you to recognize that Walt Disney et. al. were DeMolay, but again, NOT Freemasons, just as you (unfortunately) group S&Bs with Freemasons, but do not mistake them for each-other. Which brings up a point I'll address in a sec.
3) Of Bill Bradley: I do not know him personally, so I could not speak of him such. But my Grandfather, a Mason, did. They had frequent contact. My grandfather was quite a conservationist in NJ & Bill's immediate residential proximity to ours resulted in Bill's discussing many of those issues he was faced with as Senator of NJ with my grandfather. So I guess between that & his actions as Senator I have a more educated respect for him than some...
4) Many of the people on your list were actually significant & somewhat undebatably great people. I could see you might have a problem with Ben Franklin, he being a Deist & not subscribing to your particular theism, but he did accomplish some great deeds, & that from humble origins. These people's membership in any fraternal group only aided & often prompted their great deeds. I recognize that you might be just saying "look at all these names you will recognize, then look at the groups they belonged to" but the funny thing is, I see roughly a better representation than worse. I'm often amazed that a man like Ben, a humble printer, could be, among other things, a catalyst for the creation of America's AND France's constitutions...
I agree whole-heartedly with your noticing that XY&Z people have this or that [fraternal relation] in common.
I think part of that which differentiates us humans with other things on this planet is our intellect, which is partly our ability to recognize patterns, like these associations, & weave them with others.
This is NOT talking about our being created in the Lord's image, which is ANOTHER thing that might differentiate us humans.
At any rate, that's for a different, to me, discussion, which I'm pretty confident y'all will get into/are in
Anyway, I hope this was not somehow negative for you.
If it was in any way, my deepest apologies.
My your road ahead be be filled with happiness.
G-Rye