Nebuchadnezzar's Dream of the Image - Daniel 2

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Nebuchadnezzar's Dream of the Image - Daniel 2

Postby jimbaum » Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:04 am

Daniel 2:26-49

26 The king answered and said to Daniel, whose name was Belteshazzar, Art thou able to make known unto me the dream which I have seen, and the interpretation thereof?

27 Daniel answered in the presence of the king, and said, The secret which the king hath demanded cannot the wise men, the astrologers, the magicians, the soothsayers, shew unto the king;

28 But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;

29 As for thee, O king, thy thoughts came into thy mind upon thy bed, what should come to pass hereafter: and he that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass.

30 But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living, but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart.

31 Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible.

32 This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,

33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.

34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.


36 This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.

37 Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.

38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.

39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
46 Then the king Nebuchadnezzar fell upon his face, and worshipped Daniel, and commanded that they should offer an oblation and sweet odours unto him.

47 The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.

48 Then the king made Daniel a great man, and gave him many great gifts, and made him ruler over the whole province of Babylon, and chief of the governors over all the wise men of Babylon.

49 Then Daniel requested of the king, and he set Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, over the affairs of the province of Babylon: but Daniel sat in the gate of the king.

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Postby jimbaum » Sat Feb 03, 2007 3:17 pm

Brother David,

Do you agree that the first three kingdoms are as follows?

1st Kingdom, the head (fine gold) Babylonian

2nd Kingdom, breast and arms (silver) Medio-Persia

3rd Kingdom, belly and thighs (brass) Greek

If not, who do you say they are?

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Postby jimbaum » Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:31 am

David,

Each of the first three kingdoms followed one after another. The Roman Empire followed the Greek.

It's my conviction that the Roman Empire has never ceased to exist. It has continued in various European-centered forms, including the Roman Catholic Empire. Various political rulers through out the centuries have attempted to reconstitute the Roman Empire: Charlemagne, Napoleon, and Hitler, to name a few. I see the United States as an extension of the Roman Empire.

The unfolding history of the world today is largely a European-led world system. This Roman Empire system continues the legacy of Babel, Egypt, and Babylon.

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Postby jimbaum » Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:02 pm

Most history books may say the Roman Empire ended. But I don't think it ever really did.

The Roman Catholic Empire never ceased to exist and continues to have global reach to this day.

Politically, it is no coincidence that the eagle was a symbol of the Roman Legions; the Third Reich; and the U.S.

Novus Ordo Seclorum is a continuation of the vision of the Tower of Babel carried on through Rome.

Pax Romana, Pax Americana, Pax Universialis

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Postby David » Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:48 pm

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Postby jimbaum » Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:38 am

David, you ask whether my last post is scriptural.

It is scriptural that the fourth kingdom follows the third. It is true that the Roman Empire followed the Greek.

I have seen enough evidence to convince me that the following is true. The unfolding of world history should be understood in the light of the Bible.

Most history books may say the Roman Empire ended. But I don't think it ever really did.

The Roman Catholic Empire never ceased to exist and continues to have global reach to this day.

Politically, it is no coincidence that the eagle was a symbol of the Roman Legions; the Third Reich; and the U.S.

Novus Ordo Seclorum is a continuation of the vision of the Tower of Babel carried on through Rome.

Pax Romana, Pax Americana, Pax Universialis

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Postby David » Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:33 pm

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Postby jimbaum » Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:41 pm

I said:

It is scriptural that the fourth kingdom follows the third.

It is true [i.e. historical] that the Roman Empire followed the Greek.

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Postby David » Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:00 pm

DOH! I misunderstood I'm sorry Jim I sincerly hope you are not upset with me :oops: Ok after just now re-reading your post it seems I assumed much again sorry. I need to slow down

I also hope you see the point why I have so many questions about a RRE though. I just don't have it in me to believe that anymore, it makes no sense. Don't get wrong Im not asking for help to get me back in that fold. I don't want to be there anymore. I think the RRE point of view has waay to many holes in it.

Much more to look at in Daniel.

Here's one for you keep an eye on these three, quotes by Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Alliance of Civilizations, and the spread of 2007 The Year of the Mevlana. Neat stuff nothing more but in the words of my favorite Camp Kommandant Col. Klink veeery interesting.
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Postby jimbaum » Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:37 am

David, I'm not upset! I appreciate the discussion.

And as to which camp you or I end up in... all that matters is which is the Lord's camp.

You or I should be willing to end up in WHATEVER camp the Lord intends.

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Postby David » Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:49 pm

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Postby jimbaum » Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:52 am

Wow, David. How wonderful to be a part in warning someone about the deceptions of the Human Potential movement. I am grateful to the Lord for his sovereign grace in the events of human beings.

I shall continue to search Daniel and the rest of the scriptures so that we can reason with one another about their meaning!

Jim


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