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Brother Joseph [BeefChuck 717],

I'm glad that you were willing to register and take part in this discussion. And it is reasonable that you have posted your web site address with your profile. Because your site is posted on my discussion board, I have a responsibility to check it out. There is some material on your site I agree with and there is material I would not agree with.

My greatest concerns have to do with your views about Jewish people.

You have a page called the "Cafeteria Christians Page". There are some good examples of things that many professing Christians are guilty of that are unbiblical. There are some links to articles that criticize Billy Graham. I've been criticizing Billy Graham, myself, for many years. However, one of them is titled, "Billy Graham a 33rd Degree Freemason".

About a fourth of the way down the page you have the sentence: "3. People that come forward are sent even to Jewish synagogues and New Age churches.,"

The word "Jewish" is a link that takes you to a different web site with the following address: http://100777.com/jewry/

Toward the bottom of that page is the following: "The ONLY Solution against the satanic New World Order is The Plan."

The phrase, "The Plan" is a link to http://jahtruth.co.uk/plan.htm

About a third of the way down is the following statement:

"Despite the Hidden Hand's propaganda and attempts at deception, it doesn't change the fact that 95% of all modern Jews are not true racial Israelites, they are Khazar Jews descended from Esau/Edom. The Khazar Jews, or Eastern Jews, were an ancient warrior race of Turkish (Edomite / Idumean - Esau) origin who had interbred with the Ashkenazim and converted to Judaism en masse at the end of the 8th century AD. "

Joseph, do you agree with this statement?

This same article refers to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion which is a document often referred to by anti-semitic groups.

On the index page of this same site is the following:

"Discover The Truth about God's Holy Koran in this special Koran Page which contains all the information to prove that His Holy Koran and His Holy Bible, when interpreted correctly, are in perfect harmony and are in actual fact volumes of The One Book from The One Author, as The LORD our God is One and all of man-kind should be."

Joseph, do you agree with this statement?

These are far more serious than our disagreements about Bible translations.

Jim B.
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It also says on the same page that Billy Graham is on public record as supporting homosexuality. That is simply not true. You don't have a single credible source that supports that. In fact the link you provide when you click on that takes you to a page that is exactly the same as yours. Billy graham has been shown on national television saying homosexuality is a sin. I assure you that you will never find billy graham saying he support homosexuality or that is is not a sin.
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Hi Jim,

Thanks for the link. I have been concerned with this issue for a while now. I don't remember seeing that when I first posted that article. This is good to know for the future. I have had to remove an article because I found that some one bought the domain I linked to and it was a cult and another was a porno site; but when I first linked to the article it was a sound Christian site. What a mess, I cant believe people buy Christian domains and turn them to porn sites.

I have the Billy G. article on my site for the purpose of helping people understand that Billy G is a wolf in sheep's clothing. In my disclaimer section I state that I am not responsible for what other sites link too-thus I thought people would understand that I do not necessarily support links to links to links. Did you see anything on my site which supports the Koran or even attempts too? If you do it's probably someone messing with me because that is not me. So far like your site but I cant say I have checked it all out. I do like how all the articles and links are directly on your site. I am very new to all this website stuff so I am leery when it comes to putting everything on my site. I know many webmasters that get upset and they just want you to link to them for the article. But the problem is what we have here, so I am not sure what to do.

I will take any advice you have on how to better organize my site or to correct any heresy.

I like info-wars but I don't agree with all their links to links nor do I support them but I do admire most of Alex's work that I have seen.


Thanks for any help you give me
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Joseph,

I rejoice when Christ is preached and I'm grateful there are messages on your site that preach Jesus and Him crucified.

I recommend that you not link to sites that even hint at anti-semitism. The claim that Jewish people are really Edomites is something I have seen before among those promoting Jewish Conspiracy theories.

The corrupt human rulers of this world are of all ethnic backgrounds.

Also, I recommend not becoming entangled in conspiracy theories in general. They easily become an ungodly fear and idolatry in and of themselves. They lead you down deceptive, unbiblical paths.

There is much we can do to warn about the corrupt nature of the world system by sticking to sound Bible teaching and by referring to the obvious structure, writings, behavior of the rulers. We don't need to be entangled in speculations that others claim to have substantiated.

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Well said Jim, I completely agree.
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Are you talking about 9-11?
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BeefChuck717 wrote:Are you talking about 9-11?
I was referring to Conspiracy Theories in general.

For example, there is plenty to warn about Billy Graham and yet there are some accusations I tend to be wary of because I haven't personally examined supporting evidence.

Another example is anti-semitic theories that say that Jewish people are really Edomites and they are the cause of the world's problems. I believe these doctrines are evil and false.

And also, as an example, 9-11: There are many questions that are valid to ask about 9-11 that question whether the rulers are telling the truth. And yet there are some accusations that I can't endorse because I have not personally examined the supporting evidence.

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Hi Jim

I was looking around your site's links page. On this site http://www.pastors.go.ro/ there are some things I agree but some I do not such as this statement:

"A Christian should not quit a church unless it has become a temple of idols or unless he\she moves to another location or when he\she is not allowed to serve the Lord "

Do you agree with this?

Also I found a link that supports the Jesus tree??? Which is highly unbiblical do you support this?

I have some more concerns as well

You have a link to http://typicalsaint.com//?cat=3

which has a couple swear words as well as a swear word for the title of an article, but yet the author proclaims to be Christian and says that swearing is okay in the right context. Do you agree that this is good demeanor for the Body of Christ?

We all sin I sin you sin we all sin, and I am not implying otherwise. I am just wondering why you were so quick to equate me with the beliefs of a site 2 links away from mine when I have a disclaimer on my site very similar to yours? I know that you more than likely don't support these things because I have not seen anything to indicate otherwise directly on your site. Why would you assume any different from me?
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Joseph, you make some very good points. It is true that there are things on web sites I link to that I don't agree with. The swear words on one site do bother me and I pray they will be removed.

I am particularly sensitive to conspiracy theories and anti-semitism. There are people who don't profess to be followers of Jesus that devote themselves to conspiracy theories. They become to the masses like the boy who cries wolf. Their views are some truth mixed with lots of error and they inoculate the masses against the truth. Now when an average person hears legitimate discussion about corrupt rulers, and they raise legitimate concerns about, for example, the Trilateral Commission, the average person is conditioned to think, "Conspiracy Theory!" and turn off his brain and stop listening. This is especially evil when the conspiracies are blamed on the Jews.

I think it is possible to warn of this corrupt world system without using the term "conspiracy". Our calling is to preach the Gospel to all who are deceived, both conspiracy idolaters and Pollyanna Rose-Colored Glasses idolaters.

Joseph, I understand you are telling me that you do not believe in a Jewish Conspiracy and you do not believe that Jews are Edomites. Is that true?

Thanks, again for discussing these things with me. I pray that I can be diligent in considering who I link to while still giving others the freedom to disagree with me.

Jim
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Hi Jim

Its good to talk about these issues. I don't believe that the whole world is corrupted by Jewish people or the Edomites thing although I think there are some that call themselves Jews and secretly pretend to be Jews but really are not. I know that there are many evil rulers in this world that are not Jewish. David Icke is a nut that goes around saying things like that. He is right on somethings but he is an enemy to Christians when you read his books.

I know what you mean about "conspiracy". On one hand its as simple as two or more people plotting evil. That be anything from 2 Christians sneaking to the bars to not get caught or a few evil chumps signing the military commissions act of 2006 which rids us of Habeas Corpus. But yet people hear Conspiracy and there minds shut off no matter how many facts are out there. We are pumped everyday with mindless fluff on TV while being taken to the cleaners. This saddens me. I will work to get my links cleaned up although it might take me a few months to find them all, LOL.

Jim I am glad you pointed those things out to me though thanks for the help.
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Joseph

The Lord helps us. Thank you for your encouragement. These are perilous times, brother. We need each other as we encourage one another in the faith and point to what God has said. Jesus has not left us to flounder about on our own. We are grateful that He loves us and directs us. My prayer is that our Lord would use our discussions to edify the Body of Christ in spite of us! Perhaps the Lord will send someone to take part in the discussion that helps you and I in our walk as we desire to encourage one another.

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You have a link to http://typicalsaint.com//?cat=3

which has a couple swear words as well as a swear word for the title of an article, but yet the author proclaims to be Christian and says that swearing is okay in the right context. Do you agree that this is good demeanor for the Body of Christ?


I quote on the 'About Me' page:

You will notice me use words that are considered “swear” words. I do not use theses lightly, they are meant and should be used to express a strong feeling toward something or someone. I will always try to link the word to a definition so that you may look-up the meaning.

I do not regret or feel that scripture forbids me to use the words I have used in the context that I have used them. The word D**N means to pronounce a harsh judgment. I do not regret using that word in that context. Please show me where the bible forbids me from using such a word in this context.

What makes a word a swear word and therefore wrong? It isn't what comes out of a mans mouth that makes him unclean but it's whats in his heart that does. If I had said those darn parents would that have changed anything? When people say darn or dang is it any different? Is it really the words themselves that are wrong?

What scriptures prevent me from saying certain words?

If Jesus had said 'you brood of vipers' in the context that they had said something mean and He wanted to get back at them then He would be sinning. But in the context in which He said them made them true words. The context was correction and isn't any different in my case. Please look up the definition of the words I use before crying wolf.
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Joseph,

You said:
I am just wondering why you were so quick to equate me with the beliefs of a site 2 links away from mine when I have a disclaimer on my site very similar to yours? I know that you more than likely don't support these things because I have not seen anything to indicate otherwise directly on your site. Why would you assume any different from me?
In my opinion this is not true and Jim had every right to ask what he did because you did not have a disclaimer on your website before he said something. I read your disclaimer and it was exactly the same as the cached version on google. You added that after Jim expressed concerns. Jim however had a disclaimer that warned about not agreeing with all links.

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:oQGp ... =firefox-a

Also, in your article title "clarification" you said,

"I had someone recently follow a few links out from my site and ask me why I held those views. This is not common sense for one thing, and I try my best to make sure to link to credible sources but overtime sites adopt strange doctrines or they sell their domain name to someone with a sinister plan, or I just make a mistake. This person asked me why I held that the Koran was equal to the Bible and why I had some strange view about Jewish people because of an article that had link to a link to a site that had those views. Please let me know if I link to a site that is questionable but once you start to go two links out don't assume I hold those views. Go ahead and email for clarification. I have to link to other sites for several reasons. One being credibility, I have to prove that I am not making things up and show when I use someone Else's work. Also some people do not like to have their article put directly on another site. They want you to link to them instead."

Jim simply asked a question out of concern but did not accuse you of anything. He asked and you did not directly answer so much so that he just asked you again because you avoided the question. He did not assume e you hold those views.

You also say you link to them for credibility. Doesn't it seem weird you are linking to people you think are preaching lies as a source for your credibility? People preach those lies about Jews to deceive people not out of ignorance. I would trust them for anything.

Jim and I have made it clear that we don't agree on everything, but I very much respect him and consider him and his family friends and so I have no problem linking to him. In fact I tell people when they have concerns that are the same as Jim's to check out his website. I'm not trying to change Jim's opinion on much of the things we disagree with because I know that people are different and see things differently. We must remember that the law is gone and there is freedom in Christ.
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Zach

[Edited] You have no proof on most things you say especially on your blog.

I like Jim and have no problem with him. Where do you get off trying to start trouble? We already settled the links issue, whats your problem? You know where I live and if you want to talk face to face then lets do it otherwise leave me alone.

As far as dodging questions go; you have a lot of nerve pal! I have been compiling a list of things you dodge but that's going out the window now.

I was justified in my question as well the second statement in my old disclaimer points that out but Jim was right in that I need to clarify that. Not only that but I was not talking about Jim. I do get a lot of e-mail and have had some links change on me. I did change my disclaimer as I said I would to make things more clear, but I did say on my old one that I am not responsible for other sites and I have made numerous references on other articles I have written on my site. Plus it's common sense not to hold some one up for 2 sites away. Your articles on your blog hold no water at all. I would love to debate your phony article on 9-11 but you don't have the heart for it. If I am wrong then I will change but not you. You are an antagonist by posting what you did. Your like the kids in school that always run to the teacher to blame others. I bet you like the military commissions act that ruined our country the other day don't you?

Although on some point I do agree with you. I think you are trying to get Jim and others to gang up on me by posting the way you do. Jim and I talked about our disagreement and I learned some things. Jim is a person I can talk too and learn from,but you are not. [Edited] so I will see you at the judgment seat of Christ. There everything will be taken care of and all arguments will be settled. If I am wrong then I will apologize and we can be friends up there. [Edited]
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Joeseph,

I really am sorry if you feel as if I am out to cause trouble, that honestly is not my intent. I am not trying to get people to gang up on you. In fact, you yourself said in emails and on my Blog that you have liked how friendly I have been about this whole thing. Only when I pointed out stuff that clearly isn’t true did you start accusing me of being divisive.

[Edited] I said in one of our emails earlier before coming here that it's easy to get distracted and become guilty of just trying to prove our point of view that we forget that it is the truth we are and we must do it out of love. I admit that there is a part of me that wants to win this debate or discussion, but still my primary motivation is love. I constantly struggle with mixed motives and I am constantly seeking God for forgiveness and guidance. For that I ask for you to forgive me.


But about the other topics I brought up I was not lying, being deceptive or anything of that matter.

[Edited]

I hope you will forgive me in those areas where I have been wrong, and bear with me as I struggle with sin in my own life. I pray that God will change my own heart and allow us to continue to discuss these things. You may not believe it, but I really do care about you and were you stand in your relationship with God. I have never accused you of not being a Christians but like the church in Galatia I believe you have lost sight of Grace. [Edited]

[Edited] I hope that you will forgive me where I have been wrong and put up with me as we continue to discuss these things.
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